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Two Things Lead Buyers Must Do

This is really simply too.

I have said it a number of times and I promise this will be the last. I talk to lead buyers every day that choose not to take leads on weekends, however typically I can talk them into taking the leads by telling them my many examples of how they convert better then leads during the week. I am getting tired of it, though. Yeah, I am tired of putting up the fight every time someone wants to buy leads (The good news is that I am not a sales person, so I can get a way with this). I am going to do a favor for those of you who buy leads on the weekend and stop preaching the strategy. Either take them or leave them for someone else to close.

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Is Real-Time Real?

Some time back, there was a conversation born from another post as to whether or not companies are really selling Internet leads in real-time.  I have to admit that the suggestion that companies are not, caught me by surprise.  The suggestion was that lead providers – and I am talking about the legitimate ones, not the bottom-of-the-barrel lead aggregators – are actually selling leads that were not generated in real time.  I think that this is nonsense.

There are exceptions to this rule.  For example, I know from some of my clients who participate, one major lead provider has a legacy program that is either called, or is simply referred to as the, “Lender of Last Resort,” program.  In this, lenders can act as a “safety net,” and leads that would otherwise go unmatched would be sent to these lenders of last resort at the end of the day, or even maybe the following day .  But in this example, the participating lenders know what they are getting, I have to believe, and are paying a significantly reduced price for these leads.  But other than that this, as well as other aged lead opportunities that other reputable lead companies provide, it is my belief that the lead companies are genuinely selling leads in real time.  I would love to hear from some representatives of the lead companies chime in on this to validate my position.

One concern was that companies allegedly stopped sending a time/date stamp as one of the data components with a lead.  I did a little investigating on behalf of my company and learned that while we do send that data, many of the lead management systems don’t capture and pass this data (if I am wrong, please jump in and correct me.  I’ll give the lead management companies a special invitation to do so since they are all always so shy about touting your wares [a little sarcasm]).  My suspicion for this is that in years past, there were some issues with the lead management systems delivering leads in real-time.

Specifically, I had numerous first hand experiences with a certain LMS (and I won’t throw them under the bus here because I know they have fixed this issue), where there were sometimes as much as 15 minutes between when we delivered the lead into the LMS and when the clients actually received the lead.  So, my guess is that because of this inefficiency in the past, maybe this data was not captured or provided on the LMS’s end.  But I would still maintain that the credible lead companies capture and send this information.

I would challenge you, the lead buyer, to verify that you are getting this information from your lead providers.  If you are not, find out if it is the result of the lead provider not sending the information, or the LMS not capturing the information.

The reason why you need to know this is because when your LO comes up to you and claims, “I just called this ‘real-time’ lead as soon as I got it but I was the 93rd person (a little more sarcasm) to speak to the consumer,” you will now be able to address the facts.   The facts are, if the lead is time/date stamped then you can show this information to the LO.  If you don’t trust the time/date stamp, then you can take it up with your lead provider.  But odds are it is a real-time lead and the consumer simply did what most consumers do and that is go to multiple sites and fill out multiple forms and then complain as if they had no idea that they would get multiple calls per inquiry that they made.

So, I am not saying that re-selling doesn’t happen, but I do believe it to be the exception and not the rule.  What are your thoughts?

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Is Your Price Right?

Just a little rant:

I have mentioned this and asked this question before, however I think it is worth asking again. What is the correct price YOU should pay for lead?

This may be different for each and every one of you and mostly likely is. Do you know what your target price is? I know many would say that your target price is a low as you can get it and I would respond by telling you good luck with your business and recommend that you keep you resume on monster.com. I have heard some say a lead is a lead and in some cases you could make that argument. I however, based on my experience as a buyer and a seller don’t completely buy into that thought and therefore believe there are different values for different leads. I think ultimately that is based on your conversion. If your conversions are low, you typically are looking for a cheap lead, possibly remnant volume. If you are closing leads you are more willing to pay more for them. This, at face value is very simple, but so many really have no idea where they stand and how much is an acceptable lead price for their company.

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The Value of a Lead?

I just want to think out loud a bit, which I guess isn’t much different then most of the post here, so pardon the random direction of the post.

I was just thinking about mortgage lead prices and what the true value of a lead represents. I guess in most cases it is different for each buyer, which leads me to my question. Is there a fixed value of a lead? In the good old days of the mortgage industry leads were being sold in the $40.00 and up range. Back then most lead buyers had no problem paying the higher prices due to the higher returns they were seeing. Today, I think lead prices can now find themselves at a far lower price, but what is reasonable. Clearly you get what you pay for and at the other end of the spectrum you can pay way to much for what you get too.

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A Couple Hot Topics of Lead Management

I wanted to discuss a few issues that have continued to come up in the last few weeks for me in my daily discussion.

The first is the topic of returning leads or negotiating a flat rate. We discussed this topic last week and I posed the opinion that negotiating a flat rate of return with your lead providers will save you time formating the returns in the numerous different formats that each provider requests, however it does not let you off the hook for returning the bad data to the provider.

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To Return a Lead or Not to Return a Lead

Maybe this is a dumb question, but the results could make these easier on your life and at the same time possibly worse.

LowerMyBills some time ago decided to no longer except returns and instead began to bake in the return rate into their prices, supposedly. This is some thing I did frequently as a lead buyer because it made my life a whole lot easier, but was it the right decision? If you buy from multiple sources you know each provider expects you to return the leads differently and within different time frames. This can be very time consuming and even a little frustrating. Requesting a percentage of the price be reduced eliminates much of that pain, however it also reduce much of the feedback that the lead providers will ever receive.

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Time To Get Schooled by MIT

We have sporadically discussed lead management benchmarks here for the past few weeks and have an ongoing survey running that continues to be very tight race. I want to bring it up again and source an 8 month old study performed by MIT. The study has been out for sometime, as I just mentioned, and I have been putting off discussing it for a while now. Not because I think it is unimportant, because it is very important for people to read. I simply just had more time sensitive topics that arose and continued to put it off.

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Sasquatch, The Loch Ness Monster and Exclusive Leads

When I was a kid, I used to read books on cool things such as the Loch Ness Monster, Sasquatch and the Yeti. Those things interested me because I thought it was really fascinating to think something like that could exist. But now that I am a more logical and practical thinking adult and I know that it is not possible for something like this to exist. It is time that we as a market, come to grips that Exclusive Leads, just like the Sasquatch, do not exist.

I bring this up because I still have conversations occasionally with lead buyers inquiring about exclusive leads. My recommendation is typically this, “If anyone tries to sell you exclusive leads, then also inquire if they have a nearby bridge that they could also sell you, or maybe some beach front property in Nebraska.” I think I have made my point…

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Hit ‘Em Where They Ain’t

It is summer, time for baseball. Personally, I think watching baseball on television is about as exciting as watching food spoil. When I was a kid, my grandmother got a new video camera. She proceeded to make a video of her Christmas tree where she would zoom in and out on every single ornament, all the while my Grandfather is in the background snoring like a diamond-toothed chainsaw. I got to watch every single moment of that video tape and probably enjoyed it more than I would enjoy watching baseball on television (going to the ballpark is another matter, but I digress…). That said, there is a very popular offensive philosophy in baseball coined in the early 1900’s by “Wee Willie” Keeler (thanks Wikipedia). He said about hitting, “Keep your eye clear and hit ‘em where they ain’t.” I think this approach applies well to Internet leads.

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Lead Buying Benchmarks Needed

I am frequently on the phone with lead buyers discussing how to work leads. The range of competency is pretty wide, especially between different verticals. Mortgage lead buyers have a hand up on most other verticals, from what I have seen. It wouldn’t be fair to assume that all insurance lead buyers don’t know how to work leads, but many mortgage lead buyers would be shocked at hear what suffices for the insurance lead buyers.

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LeadsCon Day 2 Recap

I know I have gone out of order with my LeadsCon recaps posts, but I think by now you all know I do things my own way and a little out of order. Day two, I must admit was a little slow moving, but included some very good session.

I am not going to go through each session for this post and am only going to highlight a few them. The first session I want to discuss with you is the “Lead Buyer Perspective” session. The panel included Chris Meerschaert formally of Quicken Loans and now with Adchemy. Adam Graff of Career Education Corp, Jordan Drew of findalocalagent.com, Todd Davison of Bulldog Solutions. The session was moderated by Rick Natsch of Potreto Media Corporation.

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LeadsCon First Day Recap

How, it was only a have day that only included two sessions, but what a great way t start off a conference. First, I must say I was surprised by the turn out and the packed house!! Great Job Jay.

Let me give you all a brief run down on the the first day here in Las Vegas. I guess I should also premise this post by mention that the crowd here at LeadsCon is a nice mix of affiliate marketers, lead providers, lead sellers, ad networks and everything in between. It a very diverse crowd, which I think it going to continue to lead to great discussions and insight. Hopefully I can pass along some of the conversations to those of you who could not make it.

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