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LeadCritic, formally a lead manager for a large real estate, mortgage and financial service company has a passion for the mortgage lead business, from the buyers perspective. A few other interests include Internet Marketing, web analytics, lead management and consumer behavior.

LowerMyBills, To Profit or Not To Profit?

Pardon the rant, but I need to get this off my chest.
Earlier this year I wrote an article on my previous blog, which was called Morinsight about the riduculous pricing that LowerMyBills was giving out to specific clients. After posting the article Mr. Coffin called my company and insisted that the article be taken down. My boss at the time did not have the guts to tell him to F-off so the article was taken down and of course I didn’t have the guts to tell my boss to F-off either. Funny thing was the information was so well known that I had known it about it months before we negotiated our own pricing. Really it was just silly that a CEO and founder would implement a pricing strategy and not be confident enough in the strategy or feel right about it to allow an opinion based blog give its two cents about it. I know some of you may not have read the article and unfortunately it is on my PC that recently took a “break” on me. I should be able to post the article again once the computer is back up and running. The closest thing I have is this post that includes a couple of paragraphs from the original article. The article was actually very tame.

In the second quoted paragraph when I mention smaller quality shops I am referencing smaller Lead Providers, not mortgage brokers. It is not a secret that LMB has struggled all year like many others, but their losses began Q4 of 2006, prior to the sub prime debacle. The significant price reductions also began prior to the sub prime debacle. The point is that they in my opinion looked to be hurting before much the storm hit. In the article I wrote earlier in the year I speculated that LMB was trying to hold onto their network of buyers in the mist of providing poor quality leads. I have a feeling that Experian had set specific lead sold expectations for LMB and not revenue or price expectations and Coffin and team were simply trying to hit them. This purely speculation and I am only guessing.

Either way what they did to the whole market and what they are continuing to do is ridiculous and shameful. Sucking in buyers with really low prices that they know they will lose money on simply to keep them on their network is bad strategy for the LMB and the buyer. Not only does it hurt the buyer but it hurts quality lead providers that care about making a profit. Buyers have a ridiculous expectation of lead cost. Don’t forget I wrote the original article when I was a lead buyer and I have not started at my new place of work as an Internet Marketer yet, not a sales guy. At the time of writing the article I knew that their leads were horrible and I was concerned that price was nice and attractive but were not going to help our ROI enough to make since and it didn’t. The leads were still sold 5 times, were still attracted by eye catching animations and hard to qualify for rates. These types of leads are only good for LMB. They are sold 5 times = $$ for LMB and the ads created a high click through rate = $$$ for LMB. Neither of these attributes create a good lead.

Now we have a company that has not posted a profit in a year (please correct me if I am wrong and I am not talking about Experian as a whole) that is in a hole that they created for themselves and has taken the industry down with it. What is the best thing a lead buyer can do? Until a good friend, John Challis reinforced the importance of ROI to me some time ago I would not have had an answer. I think know that many buyers base their decisions on price alone and that is ok, to a point. A low lead cost is an enticing attribute of a lead, but it does not produce a return, ROI. It only produces a low lead cost. Quality leads range in price, but they do not range in ROI. The ROI is always high!

I do want to mention though, I would be crazy to say that people cannot gain a healthy ROI from LMB leads. Shoot, I know a group of guys that have a great ROI from the evil $.25 trigger leads and the phone book. My point is you have to consider each provider differently and judge them on ROI. If you don’t you will shoot yourself in the foot. In the marketing world product pricing is can be fun to tool around with. Consumers often think that higher priced items are better and lower priced items are worse and other times it is completely the opposite. At the end of the day the consumers satisfaction on the price of the item is determined by the item and its quality. Are you buying quality items?? Look forward to a future post on what I think a quality item is and how to find them.

So this is my question to you. When do you think, if ever LMB will begin to raise their prices? They will have to do this if they want to show a profit or do they? They recently combined a number of different Experian website under one umbrella. Did they do this to give a better overall picture and health of Experian Interactive?

Any predictions for LMB in 2008, hell the whole lead industry for matter?? Lets hear it.

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  1. greg Brown | Dec 27, 2007 | Reply

    absolutely spot on.

  2. nowayoj | Dec 27, 2007 | Reply

    To be fair, if you posted prices from a b2b company like ibm, oracle, or your rev share from google adsense on this blog, they’d all call to ask you to take it down too. If prices are not publicly posted, they’re… umm… Confidential???!!!

  3. Lead Critic | Dec 27, 2007 | Reply

    That is fair and I am sorry I cannot post the article right now and I will as soon as I get this stupid PC fixed. I only reflected about what others were telling me and did not discuss any specific pricing.I believe I mentioned Pricing can be confidential, but the fact that they are high or low is not and discussing it is fair game, in my opinion.
    Also, if I did post the specific prices and they did want me to take it down, I would gladly do so, but being bullied to take down a complete article is ridiculous, IMO.

  4. Raj Parekh | Dec 29, 2007 | Reply

    As a lead management service provider we have seen our share of issues with lead providers. It seems that the beginning 2007 brought on a sales philosophy that was designed to cram leads down the throats of buyers by riding the reputations that were created by lead providers in 2005-2006. However, in LMB’s case the major weakness we saw was only in a few product lines. There are products that they sold and continue to sell that have merit. Like you said LC, we’ve all seen people perform well with, and as much as I’m opposed to them, trigger leads. I think what we really need to be discussing with regard to lead performance is the factors that define ‘Lead Quality”. Is quality simply the product that is delivered? Is it response rate, i.e. first to call, contact rate, or app rate? Of course it’s a delicate combination of a number of factors. To that I’m sure we would all agree and we probably need to have a separate discussion on that topic. I think one factor that contributed to the ‘failure’ of lead providers is that the 2005-06 boom market created was an unrealistic expectation of lead volume so when consumer behavior changed due to changing market conditions, brokers, bankers, lead buyers in general still had expectations of getting their daily volume orders filled and in turn lead providers felt a need to fill those orders. This creates desperation on both sides and compels the lead provider to do unscrupulous things like over distributing leads or buying from unverified affiliates to simply fill volume contracts. LMB’s case is even more exaggerated due to revenue commitments that I’m sure were given to Experian in order for payouts to occur. This too is pure speculations on my part, but it is a viable probability. The thing about this lead market is that there is no real disinterested third party out there that can monitor lead quality and generation practices for all lead providers. Of course I think that Root Markets has the best answer thus far as it has the technology and the vision to do this and to some extent we will focus on that in the coming year. Our technologies allow us to do things like de-duplicate data before it is delivered to the buyer. This in and of itself serves a benefit to buyer obviously, but it can also serve as a benefit to the provider who may be using affiliate streams to generate volume. It can even help lead providers better understand consumer behavior in those cases where consumers fill out multiple forms to receive more than 4 bids. An exchange can also help buyers diversify their lead buying portfolio so they are not putting all of their eggs into one basket and depending on volume from one provider. Anyway, I digress into a promotion of my company, but rest assured that an Exchange coupled with a strong lead management system still presents the best value for your dollar today. ROI has to be come from not only lead quality and loan officer or CSR performance, but also mitigating losses due to things like missing lead return timelines. If technology can effectively address the inefficiencies of this industry by helping lead providers through their rough patches during times they are not generating a consistent volume and help buyers diversify their portfolio so consistent volumes are managed, and automating specific functions of the lead management process, we can all continue to have longevity through even down markets. Let’s not beat up any one lead provider too much because if the cat was really let out of the bag, we would find many more lead providers with skeletons in their closets.

  5. Lead Critic | Dec 29, 2007 | Reply

    That was longer than my post! lol
    Good points though

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