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		<title>By: Does Your Lead Provider Do Co-Registration? :</title>
		<link>http://blog.leadcritic.com/technology/internet-marketing/consumer-experience/penalty-for-unnecessary-roughness/comment-page-1#comment-22057</link>
		<dc:creator>Does Your Lead Provider Do Co-Registration? :</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] do and certainly is worth asking the question. The positive and negatives of co-registration has been debated and there are certainly a right way and a wrong way for publishers and advertisers to us this [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Does Your Lead Provider Do Co-Registration? : Lead Marketwatch</title>
		<link>http://blog.leadcritic.com/technology/internet-marketing/consumer-experience/penalty-for-unnecessary-roughness/comment-page-1#comment-21480</link>
		<dc:creator>Does Your Lead Provider Do Co-Registration? : Lead Marketwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] do and certainly is worth asking the question. The positive and negatives of co-registration has been debated and there are certainly a right way and a wrong way for publishers and advertisers to us this [...]</description>
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		<title>By: owen raun</title>
		<link>http://blog.leadcritic.com/technology/internet-marketing/consumer-experience/penalty-for-unnecessary-roughness/comment-page-1#comment-15486</link>
		<dc:creator>owen raun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 02:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great - what is best about this is that there is a full discussion of a lead gen issue.  love to see it...    I do agree that we should all be civil on any post.  also, lets use our names - not made up names like they have on the ml implode forum..  
Owen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great &#8211; what is best about this is that there is a full discussion of a lead gen issue.  love to see it&#8230;    I do agree that we should all be civil on any post.  also, lets use our names &#8211; not made up names like they have on the ml implode forum..<br />
Owen</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Rice</title>
		<link>http://blog.leadcritic.com/technology/internet-marketing/consumer-experience/penalty-for-unnecessary-roughness/comment-page-1#comment-15035</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite Leadgen101&#039;s comments I think this is a substantive discussion. But, he and Lead Critic are correct. This is not about BML. It is about a fairly routine practice I am beginning to understand.

So, here is some more information that may be useful in the spirit of fairness. I am still not certain it is a great practice, but there is probably some redeeming value in this explanation. 

I received this information from a few lead providers that contacted me (one of which is in that list) to explain the practice in a lot more detail.

Here it goes:

1. Most likely Silence, based on the info provided in the inquiry form, was NOT matched to any of the host (BML in this example) lead generator&#039;s lenders

2. Therefore, the borrower would not normally be distributed to any lenders and consequently would not have been helped

3. Consequently, a lead provider using this technique might use a service like SureHits listings (a vertical search network for financial services) to provide alternatives to help the borrower

4. This gives the borrower additional venues for hard problems in a market with ever tightening credit standards

If this is how the practice is executed then the borrow is NOT likely to be distributed by the original provider and will NOT likely get the blender effect.

This of course assumes that these services (like SureHits) and the lead providers that use the services do a good job of policing their publisher networks.

Thanks to those lead providers who took the time to reach out and educate me. Hopefully, this continues to round out the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite Leadgen101&#8242;s comments I think this is a substantive discussion. But, he and Lead Critic are correct. This is not about BML. It is about a fairly routine practice I am beginning to understand.</p>
<p>So, here is some more information that may be useful in the spirit of fairness. I am still not certain it is a great practice, but there is probably some redeeming value in this explanation. </p>
<p>I received this information from a few lead providers that contacted me (one of which is in that list) to explain the practice in a lot more detail.</p>
<p>Here it goes:</p>
<p>1. Most likely Silence, based on the info provided in the inquiry form, was NOT matched to any of the host (BML in this example) lead generator&#8217;s lenders</p>
<p>2. Therefore, the borrower would not normally be distributed to any lenders and consequently would not have been helped</p>
<p>3. Consequently, a lead provider using this technique might use a service like SureHits listings (a vertical search network for financial services) to provide alternatives to help the borrower</p>
<p>4. This gives the borrower additional venues for hard problems in a market with ever tightening credit standards</p>
<p>If this is how the practice is executed then the borrow is NOT likely to be distributed by the original provider and will NOT likely get the blender effect.</p>
<p>This of course assumes that these services (like SureHits) and the lead providers that use the services do a good job of policing their publisher networks.</p>
<p>Thanks to those lead providers who took the time to reach out and educate me. Hopefully, this continues to round out the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: PEK</title>
		<link>http://blog.leadcritic.com/technology/internet-marketing/consumer-experience/penalty-for-unnecessary-roughness/comment-page-1#comment-15034</link>
		<dc:creator>PEK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on! Good lead buyers track and understand well the marketing messages, monitization techniques and and traffic sources of their vendors!

Initially, when agreeing to test a new provider, the due diligence should involve just this: an examination of the methods used the generate leads, and the customer expectations and experience that result from it.   As a buyer, I filled out countless &quot;bogus&quot; lead forms using my real name and phone #, to experience for myself, exactly what my consumers would be going through.  From there, I was able to 
1.  Make a decision about whether or not to test a new vendor
2.  Setup a customized plan of attack for the lead source, or put it into an existing execution path (ie. Do I send it immediately to a LO for a manual call, or do I send it to a dialer to get warm transferred, or do I send it to a LO assistant to manual dial and screen first, what opening scripting, if any, do I use...etc).

This is the beauty and necessity of a good LMS, it facilitates doing this, if you use it!

Who knows what BML is doing with their leads.    It is not how I&#039;d design a lead generation website for the best consumer experience, but hey, don&#039;t judge a book by its cover.    Alternatively, the most innocous looking lead gen site, could be rotten under the hood.  What a good lead buyer must do is:


-Ghost shop them to death.

-Get a rough check their volume and traffic sources on compete.com (hey!  Netmoneywizard.com has no volume ;-P
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/netmoneywizard.com/?metric=uv)

If you don&#039;t like what you see, or hear, move on.   The points around ancillary products, and ultimate conversion rates are taken and given, but premature I think.  



http://siteanalytics.compete.com/netmoneywizard.com/?metric=

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on! Good lead buyers track and understand well the marketing messages, monitization techniques and and traffic sources of their vendors!</p>
<p>Initially, when agreeing to test a new provider, the due diligence should involve just this: an examination of the methods used the generate leads, and the customer expectations and experience that result from it.   As a buyer, I filled out countless &#8220;bogus&#8221; lead forms using my real name and phone #, to experience for myself, exactly what my consumers would be going through.  From there, I was able to<br />
1.  Make a decision about whether or not to test a new vendor<br />
2.  Setup a customized plan of attack for the lead source, or put it into an existing execution path (ie. Do I send it immediately to a LO for a manual call, or do I send it to a dialer to get warm transferred, or do I send it to a LO assistant to manual dial and screen first, what opening scripting, if any, do I use&#8230;etc).</p>
<p>This is the beauty and necessity of a good LMS, it facilitates doing this, if you use it!</p>
<p>Who knows what BML is doing with their leads.    It is not how I&#8217;d design a lead generation website for the best consumer experience, but hey, don&#8217;t judge a book by its cover.    Alternatively, the most innocous looking lead gen site, could be rotten under the hood.  What a good lead buyer must do is:</p>
<p>-Ghost shop them to death.</p>
<p>-Get a rough check their volume and traffic sources on compete.com (hey!  Netmoneywizard.com has no volume ;-P<br />
<a href="http://siteanalytics.compete.com/netmoneywizard.com/?metric=uv)" rel="nofollow">http://siteanalytics.compete.com/netmoneywizard.com/?metric=uv)</a></p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t like what you see, or hear, move on.   The points around ancillary products, and ultimate conversion rates are taken and given, but premature I think.  </p>
<p><a href="http://siteanalytics.compete.com/netmoneywizard.com/?metric=" rel="nofollow">http://siteanalytics.compete.com/netmoneywizard.com/?metric=</a></p>
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		<title>By: Avi</title>
		<link>http://blog.leadcritic.com/technology/internet-marketing/consumer-experience/penalty-for-unnecessary-roughness/comment-page-1#comment-15011</link>
		<dc:creator>Avi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that this discussion is really about the general practices of the industry, not BML.  The tone of the original post was a bit harsher--but you need some attitude to draw in the eyeballs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that this discussion is really about the general practices of the industry, not BML.  The tone of the original post was a bit harsher&#8211;but you need some attitude to draw in the eyeballs.</p>
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		<title>By: Lead Critic</title>
		<link>http://blog.leadcritic.com/technology/internet-marketing/consumer-experience/penalty-for-unnecessary-roughness/comment-page-1#comment-14990</link>
		<dc:creator>Lead Critic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>leadgen,
I simply think that is a worthwhile debate, thats all. This discussion should be focused on the topic, not the company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>leadgen,<br />
I simply think that is a worthwhile debate, thats all. This discussion should be focused on the topic, not the company.</p>
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		<title>By: Leadgen101</title>
		<link>http://blog.leadcritic.com/technology/internet-marketing/consumer-experience/penalty-for-unnecessary-roughness/comment-page-1#comment-14969</link>
		<dc:creator>Leadgen101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This string is getting a little ridiculous. I have never felt the need to post here, but I am a regular reader of this site. 

This string is reminiscent of a group of adolescents who found someone to pick on and all jumped on the train. When a group of people is “picking” on one person or company that person ALWAYS loses the battle. I thought this board was supposed to be a place for positive information and for all of us to learn something from each other? That is not what’s happening here.

No I do not work with or have anything to do with BML…….</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This string is getting a little ridiculous. I have never felt the need to post here, but I am a regular reader of this site. </p>
<p>This string is reminiscent of a group of adolescents who found someone to pick on and all jumped on the train. When a group of people is “picking” on one person or company that person ALWAYS loses the battle. I thought this board was supposed to be a place for positive information and for all of us to learn something from each other? That is not what’s happening here.</p>
<p>No I do not work with or have anything to do with BML…….</p>
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		<title>By: Best Practices in Lead Generation : Better Closer</title>
		<link>http://blog.leadcritic.com/technology/internet-marketing/consumer-experience/penalty-for-unnecessary-roughness/comment-page-1#comment-14962</link>
		<dc:creator>Best Practices in Lead Generation : Better Closer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lead providers, lenders, lead buyers, lead sellers, affiliates, consumers&#8211;weigh on &quot;Penalty for Unnecessary Roughness&quot; at [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Morelli</title>
		<link>http://blog.leadcritic.com/technology/internet-marketing/consumer-experience/penalty-for-unnecessary-roughness/comment-page-1#comment-14961</link>
		<dc:creator>Morelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI, my agreed comment was to Bill&#039;s last post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, my agreed comment was to Bill&#8217;s last post.</p>
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